Freedom Or Barbarism?
By: Guy in War on Terror on February 9, 2006 - 6:57 am
In publishing the oft mentioned cartoons, the Danish press has given the practicioners of Islam an opportunity to reveal themselves for who they really are…a culture of death.
My question: Where are the moderates? Where are those Muslims that would pull the insane practicioners of the faith back from the brink of insanity?
Fred Barnes, noted columnist, expresses this thought far better than I:
It tells us a lot it tells us our enemy is not just al-Qaeda. That there’s Muslims all over the world are certainly enemies of western civilization. Look at what the showing of these cartoons which I originally thought was a mistake. They shouldn’t have run them. Now I think we’ve learned a lot from this. We see Muslims contempt for democracy, for freedom of speech, for freedom of the press and particularly for freedom of religion…
…from the size of these demonstrations, these are not jihadists, these are not people that are trying to get into Iraq so they can blow up a Shiite mosque or something or kill American soldiers, I think this is mainstream Islam in Britain and Denmark and all over Europe and then we see these — some of them are supposedly friendly Arab governments like Egypt and other places promoting this. This is not a fringe protest against Western civilization.
Michael Medved then settles the issue with these remarks:
The whole idea that you have some right, that it is somehow appropriate to, and will actually cause glory for your religion for you to be attacking Embassies and killing people and burning flags and rioting over some cartoons that you will never see, except they were put in your world by provocateurs, cartoons from Northern Europe. That is a unique perspective with Islam, and shows that it has really become for many, many Muslims, unfortunately, a death cult, not a religion of life… I think there is a huge percentage of the Muslim population, probably bigger than 50%, that is susceptible to radicalization. I saw a headline today in the Seattle Times that was hilarious in its own dark way. Its headline said officials fear upsurge in Iraq violence on eve of Shiite feast. And the whole idea that there’s only one religion in the world where people assume that people coming out of services on Friday afternoon are going to riot and kill, where people associate religious celebrations with violence. That used to be true of other religions.
I deeply fear that our current conflict is far more than a battle against radical Islamofascists. Dare I venture to say that it is a war between two cultures…one, a culture imprisoned by 7th century barbarism…. and the other, a 21st century culture that wishes to bring freedom and democracy to all men. The stakes are tremendous. The winner will chart the course of world history. What will it be…..a descent into barbarism and anarchy, or freedom and liberty for mankind?
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Islam is nothing but heresy and only an ignorant fool does not know this truth.
Islam was fabricated for the primary purpose to confront and oppose the Jews.
And to undermine the Christianity that is sympathetic to Israel.
The Koran tries to duplicate and then contradicts the Holy Bible by reducing the status of the Messiah Jesus Christ and denouncing the Holy Trinity.
Whosoever accepts Islam rejects Jesus Christ. Because, Islam is a rejection and rebellion against Jesus Christ.
Any religion that does not accept the Virgin Birth, The Passion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ is of the Anti-Christ and true Christians must reject every falsehood of the Anti-Christ no matter the apologies or regrets of the Anti-Christs called Muslims or whatever.
February 9, 2006 - 11:12 amAs a Christian I’ve experienced the pain one feels when the entity that you worship has been defiled and humilated (crucifix in a bottle of urine: 1987). And I was at first sympathetic to the hurt the cartoons caused although I also believe the Danish newspaper had the right to publish them.
My sympathy however has been replaced with outrage and anger over the violence that is occuring.
I also believe the this controversy is being fueled by Iran and Muslim extremists to draw the world’s attention away from Iran’s nuclear projects and the referral of its file to the UN Security Council.
February 10, 2006 - 2:43 pm
February 11, 2006 - 12:50 pmBoth “cultures” are based on a belief in an invisible man in the sky and have been responsible for dozens of wars. There’s not as much difference there as you think, sport.
Brad,
Christianity is not a culture and we don’t believe in an invisible man in the sky.
One day, you will know the truth and the truth will be your redemption.
February 13, 2006 - 4:33 amI have come to the conclusion that all of this in the Arab world has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the fact that life in those countries is miserable and dull. Burning flags and buildings is exciting and fun. In a world where your government allows you no freedom it is wonderful. The government even looks the other way .
February 13, 2006 - 1:26 pmLess you think this is a Muslim thing just remember when our college students burned American flags, draft cards and bras. As I remember it they blew up a draft office or two. We had Christian leaders who said that was wonderful because the war was unjust.
What is wrong is the ‘we-them’ mentality wherever it occurs. Whenever we judge others as separate, as lower, as false and heretical - then we are really playing into the hands of the Adversary - who loves disunity, murder and war.
As nations, we are all guilty of the same crime in different forms. We cry ‘terrorist’ when someone destroys a building in anger - but we say ‘collateral damage’when we slaughter innocents in the name of democracy. What kind of madness and hypocrisy is that? For a reality check, go to the blog Baghdad Burning by Riverbend - an amazing 16 year-old girl and learn what is really going on in Iraq. We need to stop seeing them as ‘the enemy.’
February 15, 2006 - 12:46 am“Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.”
Zenmoon,
Based on your comment, I hold no hope whatsoever of convincing you of the insanity of what you have written. To equate those that would fly aircraft into buildings, killing thousands, with the ‘collateral’ damage that occurs in wartime is shear lunacy. One event occurs out of rage and hatred for those that disagree with an irrational ideology. The other occurs when innocents are used as human shields.
February 15, 2006 - 7:40 amMuslim Response
February 16, 2006 - 3:56 amAll the Muslims aren’t going to act in the same way as the Prophet pbuh would have, even though taught so. Many would be naturally violent over this and we can’t stop the reaction. There will be Muslims protesting peacefully and in an organized manne…
February 18, 2006 - 8:08 ami can see the viewpoint of both sides to be honest but i would like to comment on your statement about barbarism. Having seen the latest footage from AbuGraib leads me, at least, to think that we may not be so whiter than white as we, in the west, think we are. Do we have any moral high ground?
Lydia,
February 18, 2006 - 8:17 amTo answer your question about the moral high ground: YES…we do. The events at Abu Ghraib were perpetrated by a handful of unhinged individuals. They were caught and duly punished for their evil deeds.. The Islamofascists have killed thousands in their quest to spread their sick brand of religion. What’s more, rather than being restrained by their leaders…they are encouraged to commit their acts of violence. There is no comparison between the events at Abu Ghraib and those inacted by radical Islamofascists.
if one is fed propaganda by the u.s. media, one is likely to regurgitate it without realizing that one is being wholly unoriginal. none of the information you are using to villify islam as a culture/religion is information you would be able to confirm, or even back up with research. you are merely repeating the same propaganda our govt has been using for (literally) years to make you feel that you have a cultural enemy, to make you feel angry, to make you feel that these wars are just.
meanwhile, the govt is carrying out its plan, which is to sap other nations of their resources, and gain wealth. this is the activity of empire. it always has been. it always will be. empires and democracies are antithetical. as soon as you understand that you are not living in a democracy, that even the act of voting is made meaningless by the electoral college filter system, you will begin to see our country as it is: sick with its own greed and apathy and hate, in need of radical change politically, culturally, and spiritually.
i think it should be clear by now, to any person willing to actually research the history of our govt’s work in the middle east and latin america, that the people over there have EVERY REASON to be angry and distrustful of the u.s., and to defend themselves against our invasive presence. they have been consistently abused, economically, militarily, and culturally. they have the right to defend themselves against those who would seek to assimilate them into a ‘western’ culture of global capitalism, homogeneity, and enslavement to the machines of the wealthy. as soon as you recognize that YOU are a slave of the extremely wealthy, who do not care about you, your patriotism (beyond the fact that it justifies their fascism), or your economic wellbeing, you will be on your way to understanding that you are the same as a muslim in the middle east. you are being used the same way. you should be in solidarity with their struggle, instead of playing the puppet role that has been handed to you. look beyond the strings. try to start seeing other people as people, not just other.
March 3, 2006 - 10:25 am